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by Norseman
 on 10-05-08 00:46
re: GZ Street_GP
The edit comments tab is a lttle screwed up I'm afaid...

Hey Splinter, can you delete my earliest post, I just tried editing my comments twice and then noticed it put two whole copies of the same loooong post. Thank you.
     
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by Norseman
 on 10-05-08 00:37
re: GZ Street_GP
Sorry guys, I strongly disagree with many of you. I would like to share with you my opinion regarding this concept of paying for tracks and mods. Actually, I have never quite understood this reluctance to pay for something that is high quality… it’s a part of the race sim I’ve never quite understood...

Why do we expect everything for free? Is it just because initially that was how it was done, and you think we absolutely must stay the course? Has this concept of everything being made free truly helped the race sim industry? Or, is it quite possible that it has hindered it? What I mean by this is the race sim industry could very well be much more advanced by now if we were to give these guys a little compensation. If they have the freedom to either make a living at this, or at least some compensation, more people are bound to put in the extra time and effort to produce high quality tracks and mods. Take a look at the flight sim community… do you think they're all still bitching and moaning about the mods they pay for? No, they don't because they now understand that you pay for quality… And that 80% of the time, real true quality does not come free. That is a simple fact in business. Stuff for free will never be as good as what you get when people are compensated for their hard work. And you know as well as I do that the flight sim industry is a great deal stronger than the race sim industry… could it possibly be due to the attitude in that community? That it was so much more accepting of this concept?

And if you're a modder that doesn't agree with this, let me just say first of all - Bless you! I think you modders and track builders who do this stuff for free are fantastic people who make huge sacrifices for our community. Without you, who knows where we would be right now. However, where would we be without people like Dave Noonan? Do you think the GPL community would have grown from those early measly sales figures into a community that still exists today, 10 years later? No, BOTH the people who charged for stuff AND those who made free downloads contributed. And as far as ISI is concerned, you do realize that all they have to do is charge a licensing fee to the modders who charge for their work... I think that would seem logical because it will result in more sales of rfactor (due to the higher quality). I think ISI would find a great deal more support and much higher praises if they not only approved of this but also helped it develop.

One other note for the modders who disagree with this... I believe most of you should be looked at as artists. As much so as any artist in any other area of interest. But where else are artists ever told by the public (and their peers) that they must produce their labor for free? Maybe you have plenty of time on your hands... at least more than I do because I could never afford to put this much time into something without some compensation... my spare time is just way too limited. And so you want to make things for free... that is tremendous! And I applaud you! But don't tell everyone with the same talent and artistic abliities that they have to do the same just because you think it should be that way. All they’re asking for is to be paid for at least some of their hard work... These same people have already made great tracks available for free, so they’ve already sacriced their own time for free… what gives us the right to insist they continue sacrificing all their time for nothing in exchange?

So come on guys... lets be logical about this. Do you have any idea the amount of work that goes into something with this level of detail? And let us be really honest with what we have now in the way of tracks for rfactor… you put a real driver on some of these tracks and they’ll just pick it apart. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had race drivers tell me Laguna Seca isn’t very close at all to the real deal (no offense to those who converted it & worked on it). And I wonder if an accurate version of Infineon will ever be available… for rfactor… with our community’s reluctance to pay for it, I strongly doubt it. I personally would love to see some of these track builders and modders find a way to invest in things like LIDAR scanning and other advanced technologies that can contribute to more accurate tracks. The only way that will happen is if we can begin to compensate them.

For me, I just think that if you believe it's too much to pay 9 or 10 bucks for a track, or that the person shouldn't charge anything at all, don't whine about it... that should be the track builder’s own decision BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONE DOING THE WORK... not you… not me. If you don't want to pay for it, then don't. Just quit whining about it. You who are throwing a fit about this are the same guys who chased off a very talented texture artist... and where is he now? Being paid by JH and DK because they knew his talents were well worth the $$$.



     
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by Norseman
 on 10-05-08 00:34
re: GZ Street_GP
Ooops...


     
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by Norseman
 on 10-05-08 00:26
re: GZ Street_GP
Sorry guys, I strongly disagree with many of you. I would like to share with you my opinion regarding this concept of paying for tracks and mods. Actually, I have never quite understood this reluctance to pay for something that is high quality… it’s a part of the race sim community I’ve never quite understood...

Why do we expect everything for free? Is it just because initially that was how it was done, and you think we absolutely must stay the course? Has this concept of everything being made free truly helped the race sim industry? Or, is it quite possible that it has hindered it? What I mean by this is the race sim industry could very well be much more advanced by now if we were to give these guys a little compensation. If they have the freedom to either make a living at this, or at least some compensation, more people are bound to put in the extra time and effort to produce high quality tracks and mods. Take a look at the flight sim community… do you think they're all still bitching and moaning about the mods they pay for? No, they don't because they now understand that you pay for quality… And that 80% of the time, real true quality does not come free. That is a simple fact in business. Stuff for free will never be as good as what you get when people are compensated for their hard work. And you know as well as I do that the flight sim industry is a great deal stronger than the race sim industry… could it possibly be due to the attitude in that community? That it was so much more accepting of this concept?

And if you're a modder that doesn't agree with this, let me just say first of all - Bless you! I think you modders and track builders who do this stuff for free are fantastic people who make huge sacrifices for our community. Without you, who knows where we would be right now. However, where would we be without people like Dave Noonan? Do you think the GPL community would have grown from those early measly sales figures into a community that still exists today, 10 years later? No, BOTH the people who charged for stuff AND those who made free downloads contributed. And as far as ISI is concerned, you do realize that all they have to do is charge a licensing fee to the modders who charge for their work... I think that would seem logical because it will result in more sales of rfactor (due to the higher quality). I think ISI would find a great deal more support and much higher praises if they not only approved of this but also helped it develop.

One other note for the modders who disagree with this... I believe most of you should be looked at as artists. As much so as any artist in any other area of interest. But where else are artists ever told by the public (and their peers) that they must produce their labor for free? Maybe you have plenty of time on your hands... at least more than I do because I could never afford to put this much time into something without some compensation... my spare time is just way too limited. And so you want to make things for free... that is tremendous! And I applaud you! But don't tell everyone with the same talent and artistic abliities that they have to do the same just because you think it should be that way. All they’re asking for is to be paid for at least some of their hard work... These same people have already made great tracks available for free, so they’ve already sacriced their own time for free… what gives us the right to insist they continue sacrificing all their time for nothing in exchange?

So come on guys... lets be logical about this. Do you have any idea the amount of work that goes into something with this level of detail? And let us be really honest with what we have now in the way of tracks for rfactor… you put a real driver on some of these tracks and they’ll just pick it apart. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had race drivers tell me Laguna Seca isn’t very close at all to the real deal (no offense to those who converted it & worked on it). And I wonder if an accurate version of Infineon will ever be available… for rfactor… with our community’s reluctance to pay for it, I strongly doubt it. I personally would love to see some of these track builders and modders find a way to invest in things like LIDAR scanning and other advanced technologies that can contribute to more accurate tracks. The only way that will happen is if we can begin to compensate them.

For me, I just think that if you believe it's too much to pay 9 or 10 bucks for a track, or that the person shouldn't charge anything at all, don't whine about it... that should be the track builder’s own decision BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONE DOING THE WORK... not you… not me. If you don't want to pay for it, then don't. Just quit whining about it. You are throwing a fit about this are the same guys who chased off a very talented texture artist... and where is he now? Being paid by JH and DK because they knew his talents were well worth the $$$.



     
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by Norseman
 on 18-04-08 01:41
re: Panoz ALMS GT2
Hey philcourth, is it only freezing with this one mod? Or is rfactor freezing on several others. I was having an issue with my best pc freezing when running both rfactor and GTR2... I first ran a GPU test (which it showed np), then I ended up downloading a linux based (ISO) memory tester... it turned out that I have a bad stick of RAM. So you may want to test both your RAM and your GPU.
     
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by Norseman
 on 07-04-08 16:02
re: F1 2007 MMG
Hey Anger, everything is cool, I understand you were having a bad day... I've been having my share lately too.

Also, just so you know, I do not run TC... in fact I use no aids at all except clutch... even for the 2007 cars. Most people that I know who race online a lot do not run it, and never did. I personally always hated TC... and when seeing the real cars race at USGP, I always felt the TC really took away from the enjoyment of seeing the cars in person. And now that I want to experience what 2008 drivers are experiencing, it's really cool to have never been a TC driver.

Btw, I saw another rfactorcentral post where you say you know of a better version of Bahrain than the CTDP version... where can I download it? I'd really like to try it out. I looked around everywhere, can't find anything as good as the CTDP. I personally really like the CTDP version (not sure how accurate the elevation changes are though).
     
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by Norseman
 on 07-04-08 00:05
re: Snetterton 1964
Hey Bill, What an awesome job on Snett!!! I somehow had missed this release... It sure brought back memories of some of my VOR league races in GPL!

And the flagman rather than lights is something I didn't even know existed in rfactor... that was really a cool surprise!
     
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by Norseman
 on 06-04-08 22:44
re: F1 2007 MMG
What the????? I've seen some pretty unusual resonses from people in forums and such, but you're way out of line. Did you even read my comments and then think first before responding? I recommend you do that next time. That's how people act like mature adults in our community. Only the high school kids lash out against individuals and make unkind remarks. First off, I said "THIS IS A GREAT MOD..." You'd think I was being overly critical or something. All I was doing was making an observation and then a making helpful suggestion. And besides, how do you know if I don't prefer to do my own setups, and had already tried many different settings? Which I did.

So "anger", I'm very curious about your response... why you would act like this... Are you a part of the MMG group? If so, I'd like to talk to you... I think I may be able to help you with your "anger" problem.
     
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by Norseman
 on 05-04-08 23:10
re: F1 2007 MMG
This is a great mod, but the cars bounce around way too much at tracks like the CTDP Bahrain (which is a great track in the CTDP F1 mod). I would love it if groups would release their mods with options or various settings suggestions... takes forever to tweak things to where they seem realistic (on all the tracks).
     
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